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username-1787 t1_je7du47 wrote

Yes it's a big problem but also yes every little bit does help.

Switching to an electric car is a good thing. But for a variety of reasons, not everyone can own an electric car right now. It is still ok to reduce your climate impact elsewhere.

I'll admit I need to go touch grass (pun intended) instead of getting in dumb reddit fights so apologies for the tone. I just think we should be doing everything we to can reduce emissions as soon as possible and as efficiently as possible, and clearly gas powered lawn equipment is an easy thing to phase out

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username-1787 t1_je75yeh wrote

You're not listening. Or at least you've chosen not to address my actual points

  1. Many people can't own an EV right now. Maybe they can't afford one or still have 3 years left on their current car loan or whatever. Maybe they live in an apartment complex with no way to charge their car. Maybe their job requires frequent long distance road trips through regions with poorly developed charging facilities.

However due to their lower price and the ability to charge indoors from a regular wall socket just about anyone with a lawn can probably own electric lawn equipment right now (unless they need a riding mower I guess)

  1. EV's don't spawn out of thin air free of all emissions and environmental damage. The mining industry for lithium, cobalt, copper and dozens of other rare earth minerals required to make EVs work are among the dirtiest, most ecologically destructive industries and in many casss also have terrible human rights records. And it's not just mining for battery materials - you have to ship those raw materials all around the world, you have to manufacture the steel for the frame and the rubber for the tires and every other component in the car. And then once you're using it you have to charge the car, and that energy can either come from burning something (climate change and harmful emissions), damming a river (ecological damage and habitat destruction and emissions from concrete production), splitting an atom (another questionable mining industry and questionable disposal of waste), or solar/wind (more mining of rare earth metals for solar, clearing large swaths of land for solar/wind farms etc). Lawn equipment is smaller and uses fewer materials, meaning the day 0 carbon footprint is wayyyyyy smaller than that of an electric car

And again, I understand that transportation is one of the largest source of emissions for most households (along with heating/cooling) and that EVs are still good and still necessary. But in many circumstances (but not all) the return on investment is going to pencil out well for electrifying those smaller miscellaneous uses like lawn care. And in literally all circumstances not driving at all and getting around via transit, bike or on foot is more sustainable

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username-1787 t1_je719d7 wrote

I'm not saying it's more important.

What I am saying is that lawn equipment is a low hanging fruit with a high value impact

I'm saying every home and apartment in America has the capability of charging a small leaf blower battery without landlord consent or service upgrades or waiting for public charging infrastructure investment to kick in.

I'm saying you can probably go to home depot and buy an electric weed wacker tomorrow with your weekly budget. You probably cannot go buy a new car tomorrow

I'm saying that producing a 100kwh battery, 2 tons of steel, 4 tires and some paint is unbelievably destructive to the environment.

I'm saying that for $7,500 the government could offer an ev tax credit for one car for one person or they could straight up buy 40 electric push mowers for 40 people

And I'm also saying that CO2 isn't the only emission that matters. For public health reducing the prevalence of NOx, VOCs, CO and other toxic gases emitted by two stroke engines is also essential

I'm also gonna add that biking, walking, scootering, taking a train (and probably even a diesel bus) are all still far better for the environment than driving your own electric car. That battery came from somewhere. That energy came from somewhere. We need to focus on reducing per capita energy consumption in addition to greening our energy supply

Anyway don't let perfection be the enemy of progress. We have a long way to go in the climate fight, and I just think we should maximize our financial and ecological ROI

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username-1787 t1_je6y02w wrote

CO and NOx emissions both also net contribute to global warming via catalytic effects and are also worse for human health than CO2. And this doesn't even mention the host of other greenhouse gases we emit every day (methane, HFCs, etc). Climate isn't just about CO2

However I do agree that trucks burn way more fuel and produce way more CO2, but the production of electric trucks is also far more ecologically destructive than production of consumer grade electric lawn and garden equipment which is why I'd posit they're still a climate win (although it's just a reasonably informed hunch and not backed by research or anything).

And again - EV transition still needs to happen, but the ROI on smaller, cheaper sources of pollution is probably higher in many cases

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username-1787 t1_je6pv2s wrote

Agreed. It's the same argument as with phasing out gas stoves/water heaters etc. The ecological cost of a brand new one is higher than continuing to use the one you have, but new ones should all be electric (hence the ban on gas appliances in new construction in a some states/cities). I suppose this also depends on how the old equipment is up/downcycled (stripped for parts, etc)

You're probably fine to continue using the old one but if/when replacement becomes necessary electric is definitely the way to go

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username-1787 t1_je61ot2 wrote

Electrifying lawn equipment should be priority #1 as opposed to electric cars

EV has to happen too, but if we can make a similar emissions reduction with products that are well within the budget of your average family ($50 leaf blower vs $50,000 car) and have a battery that is several hundred times smaller than your average EV that is a huge climate win

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username-1787 t1_j6imlrg wrote

I wear sunscreen daily and reapply often due to a family history of skin cancer, but I'd guess most people probably don't need to do that.

Definitely smart to wear some SPF if you'll be outside or in a car for an extended period of time, even on a cloudy winter day, but if you're inside most of the day and just walking around the corner for 10 minutes here or there sunscreen probably isn't strictly necessary

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username-1787 t1_j69dgrg wrote

More efficient allocation of public space on our streets.

More and more comfortable outdoor seating, mores street trees, pedestrian only commercial streets (market sq, walnut, penn in the strip), an actual cohesive network of safe bike paths (not just painting a bike symbol in a 2 foot wide gutter), bus only lanes on busy routes

It’s a lot to ask, especially since selfish and entitled as f*ck car owners may be asked to slow down a bit or take a slightly different route or park 1 block away from where they used to, but even a few of these incremental improvements to our public streets would genuinely transform the city

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username-1787 t1_iybjyly wrote

Air quality is acceptable in the city, less so in the mill towns to the southeast

Winters are not bad relative to most Midwest/Northeast cities. It will frequently get into the mid/high 40s during the day and major snowstorms are rare. Worst part is general lack of sunshine from November-April

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username-1787 t1_itmjajf wrote

T is free until you cross south of the Mon

However you don't need a connect card at all these days, you can purchase fares on the transit app on your phone if/when you leave the fare free zone or ride the bus

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