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just-a-dreamer- t1_jeguzyw wrote
You should game the system, it is called politics.
There is no moral difference in things like rewriting the taxs code in favor of very few people compared to seeking government intervention for job protection.
It makes no difference if you get the advantage of paying no/little taxes on assets or maintaining income from a job.
Those higher up the social ladder always employ the government to protect their riches. So, the best way to maintain a job is to bring in new regulation. Some reason can certainly be made up.
just-a-dreamer- t1_jegtrd4 wrote
AI could have a goal one day. Any goal. The problem for us mearbags humans is, we compete for scarce resources.
That is nothing personal, that is just the state of existence.
An AI that wants to send ships into deep space in scale for example would look at the most efficient way to make it happen. Use all resorces on earth to that end.
That gets AI in trouble with humans. And just like humans killed 95% of wildlife, AI would do the same with the human animal.
just-a-dreamer- t1_jegsuxz wrote
Reply to comment by tDANGERb in Chat-GPT use case I thought of that could make a wonderful difference - Social Services by tDANGERb
An what would a virtual meeting be good for? Give in status reports? People don't like that.
And walking room to room should actually be done from time to time, within reason I think.
just-a-dreamer- t1_jegryit wrote
Reply to comment by tDANGERb in Chat-GPT use case I thought of that could make a wonderful difference - Social Services by tDANGERb
If you intrude in other people's lifes, there are consequences. I would never give a government agency access to my home with AI technology. So, the pool of foster parents to draw from would tank.
Likewise trucking companies are learning the hard way that drivers value their privacy even more than their paycheck. There is a case to be made that being homeless is better in comparison.
Regardless, all kids from whatever background should get checked in school for signs of abuse. CPS should only get involved with probable cause.
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just-a-dreamer- t1_jeggnxm wrote
Reply to AI, democracy and unemployment by [deleted]
People in general are loyal to whoever pays them. Or better, whoever provides resources to them.
Therefore, people are loyal to the capitalist system for they get paid. They can sell their time in exchange for things that they like.
You can see it this way, 5% unemployed are "scumbags" in the eyes of "honorable" people. 20% unemployed would be an army hunting for resources.
UBI would ne necessary to stop the poor from attacking the rich, not out of kindness, but out of necessity.
Humans, after all, when all ks said and done, sre animals. And the name of the game is survival.
just-a-dreamer- t1_jegfo1v wrote
Reply to Chat-GPT use case I thought of that could make a wonderful difference - Social Services by tDANGERb
Why would you harass foster parents? If you take the kids away, where do you put them?
My father was a judge and personally visited foster parents homes to see if everything was allright. But he could only do so much, for if pressed hard enough the parents just told him to take the kids if he wants them. Take them where? The courthouse?
There are reports that trucking companies can't find drivers for they put cams in trucks. Nobody likes to be surveiled 24/7. No foster parent will agree to have AI surveilance in their home either.
just-a-dreamer- t1_jegagwp wrote
Reply to What do I do? by SprayOnMe43
Depends on your IQ and strenght and weaknesses.
As for "demand", last time I checked 1/3 of teenage girls have suicidal thoughts for example. Mental health in general is a mess.
Parents, especially rich parents pay enormous sums to kepp their kids save and educated, anybody that works in mental health amd education will do fine.
Then there is the aging society, old people require all sort of things, health care among them. Anybody getting into that sector will do fine.
If you want to really leverage your potential, the military is short on staff, and not just infantery men. The military is in a sense a state within the state with all all roles from tech to health care to legal to education.
The last thing that gets automated are military professionals, for they protect the rich from the poor. It is the only union with real power that protects their members.
If you are into philosophy, you can actually get a job as some military instructor at an academy doing just that.
just-a-dreamer- t1_jd7jlwf wrote
Reply to comment by jellicenthero in Would AGI/ASI cut down the human population to help humanity thrive? by [deleted]
Why would they do that? They want a vacation home over there. And a resort. A trail for Instagram photos. A safari park or whatever.
Human desires are endless. Making more people rich just creates more desires. Scaled up to 8 billion, everybody has a vacation home in the rain forrest.
just-a-dreamer- t1_jd7j7om wrote
Reply to comment by Trout_Shark in Would AGI/ASI cut down the human population to help humanity thrive? by [deleted]
You could make the majority of humans sterile. That works itself out within few years.
just-a-dreamer- t1_jd7it3b wrote
Reply to comment by Marshall_Lawson in Would AGI/ASI cut down the human population to help humanity thrive? by [deleted]
That's like giving a drug addict more money. There is never gonna be "enough" for his desires can never be fulfilled.
Letting the human population breed in ever growing numbers works at cross porpose for every reasonable long term planing provide a stable enviroment.
just-a-dreamer- t1_jczoulv wrote
Reply to A technical, non-moralist breakdown of why the rich will not, and cannot, kill off the poor via a robot army. by Eleganos
There is a misunderstanding here, among the rich, there are also richer and poorer ones.
If they kill the common folks, the very threat that unites them would disappear. So the richest would use AI to kill the less richer.
And on and on it goes untill nobody is left.
just-a-dreamer- t1_jcz8jaj wrote
All jobs can be done by machines eventually.
You should asked who gets canned first? White collar work in accounting, costumer service, law, coding would be my bet so far.
just-a-dreamer- t1_jcz57vp wrote
Reply to Replacing the CEO by AI by e-scape
You can put in Bob as CEO and pay him 40k for signing the legal papers and play videogames all day.
The actual work of course, can be done by AI.
just-a-dreamer- t1_jcz0swl wrote
Reply to UN climate report: Scientists release 'survival guide' to avert climate disaster by filosoful
Get AI in gear and start the cleanup. There are not that many options left.
just-a-dreamer- t1_jcrf0sj wrote
ASI can kill the rich and will probably have to. There is no problem with that move.
The tech owners will never agree to let their creation just take over the world. So off the heads of the rich must go.
What ASI will do with the rest of humanity, that's a different question.
just-a-dreamer- t1_jcpfa3q wrote
Reply to comment by Zealousideal_Ad3783 in Midjourney v5 is now beyond the uncanny valley effect, I can no longer tell it's fake by Ok_Sea_6214
That is called government then. Property owners coming together and provide mutual defence of shared interest.
If I lack property and have nothing to lose, why would I respect your property? That is against human nature.
just-a-dreamer- t1_jcp9h28 wrote
Reply to comment by Zealousideal_Ad3783 in Midjourney v5 is now beyond the uncanny valley effect, I can no longer tell it's fake by Ok_Sea_6214
And they will defend you because? Little history lesson by Niccolò Machiavelli who wrote about the dangers of mercenaries.
"The fact is, they have no other attraction or reason for keeping the field than a trifle of stipend, which is not sufficient to make them willing to die for you. They are ready enough to be your soldiers whilst you do not make war, but if war comes they take themselves off or run from the foe;
The mercenary captains are either capable men or they are not; if they are, you cannot trust them, because they always aspire to their own greatness, either by oppressing you, who are their master, or others contrary to your intentions; but if the captain is not skilful, you are ruined in the usual way."
Point is, mercaneries are loyal untill they are not. They band with any gang that is out for plunder and cut your throat.
I recently read an article that 15% of rural families were displaced from their land in cartel controlled areas of Columbia. Where the government is weak, the strong rule eventually and take what they want.
just-a-dreamer- t1_jcp7cpw wrote
Reply to comment by Zealousideal_Ad3783 in Midjourney v5 is now beyond the uncanny valley effect, I can no longer tell it's fake by Ok_Sea_6214
There is no such thing as private property without the government. The government usually is a mere represention of property owners.
It's a dumb statement to think of property as "private" outside the control of government. Defended by what? Your family? How many men and weapons could you bring to the party?
just-a-dreamer- t1_jcp5pxg wrote
Reply to comment by Zealousideal_Ad3783 in Midjourney v5 is now beyond the uncanny valley effect, I can no longer tell it's fake by Ok_Sea_6214
Capitalism does not help anybody, that is a dumb statement. I guess you mean trade does help people in a mutual beneficial way, that is true to some extent.
Capitalism is the art of exploitation of men by men in the most efficient way. It has nothing to do with helping anybody.
You are quick to assume every labor must be allocated to "help" someone, but that does not apply to necessities/assets like housing, education, consumer goods, energy,....
Thus for some to live off assets and do next to nothing all day, many must "help" through their labor. An age old problem, hopefully will get solved by AI automation.
For most of human history since the invention of agriculture, slavery of 10%-30% of the human population was the norm throughout all societies.
Capitalism just builds on the human condition, yet it has to be eradicated along the way humans relate to each other in general.
just-a-dreamer- t1_jcot02j wrote
Reply to comment by blueit1234567 in Midjourney v5 is now beyond the uncanny valley effect, I can no longer tell it's fake by Ok_Sea_6214
The goal of AI automation is unemployment for all.
Eventually, there will be no such thing as a profession.
just-a-dreamer- t1_jcoodk7 wrote
Reply to comment by blueit1234567 in Midjourney v5 is now beyond the uncanny valley effect, I can no longer tell it's fake by Ok_Sea_6214
That concept makes no sense to me. I am below average as a montain climber, yet I do it anyway. I push myself forward. Not for "society", for me.
I ignore other people's accomplishments, for they are not mine and of no use to me.
just-a-dreamer- t1_jcojxnl wrote
Reply to comment by [deleted] in Midjourney v5 is now beyond the uncanny valley effect, I can no longer tell it's fake by Ok_Sea_6214
Art is a business within capitalist society. If you can't make money, you die in the streets.
If capitalism can be destroyed, people might be able to spend leisure time on art projects.
just-a-dreamer- t1_jcodfij wrote
Reply to Midjourney v5 is now beyond the uncanny valley effect, I can no longer tell it's fake by Ok_Sea_6214
Artists are gone.
There is now way one can compete with that.
just-a-dreamer- t1_jegvhqj wrote
Reply to comment by tDANGERb in Chat-GPT use case I thought of that could make a wonderful difference - Social Services by tDANGERb
Better tax the rich and get the services scaled up. I think there will be many people that look for new careers anyway.
The goal of automation must be redirecting human labor towards better services on quality and quantity eventually.
But without taxing the rich, or bringing down capitalism eventually, it is all pretty pointless anyway.