I feel this question is going by a very antiquated assumption. Lots of animals are sentient. Dogs are sentient, cats are sentient, cows, pigs, chickens... and the list goes on and on.

You are right. It orbits in and out of Earth's shadow. But at L2, that's the most stable compared to the other Lagrange points.

I think the reason you don't want to engage is because you know he has a point and you don't have a response to his statement.

Your argument is based on a fallacy. Trans people ONLY want to identify with a gender they feel best fits them. Then people like yourself come along and create strawmans by equating "identifying with a specific gender" to "identifying as a helicopter" and other wild comparisons.

Also, science in genetics refutes your way of thinking.

The reason for that is because the JWST is orbiting the Lagrange point 2, which sits behind the Earth, making it "nighttime" all of the time.

I am not assuming anything, but you're still proving my point.

The original point was that alien life with intelligence would need something like the "industrial revolution", but now you're talking about Middle Eastern Neolithic farmers who migrated to Europe.

The point regarding Neolithic farmers, that is just based on intelligence, and understanding to work as a society. This can easily be achieved by other intelligent alien life.

Another thing that you keep assuming is that, people without better clothing, getting sick from curable illnesses, without simple technology that could make their lives easier, didn't create better clothing, medicine, simple technology because they didn't want to, as opposed to just not being able to (due to not having enough time).

Why didn't Zorg come up with Algebra? Because he didn't want to, or is it because he was too busy hunting and taking care of/protecting his family?

Also, you have to realize, that those who contribute to knowledge, are very few, especially in the beginning. There was 1 Isaac Newton out of millions at that time. There was 1 Galileo out of millions at that time. It would require 1 out of millions and perhaps more for Neanderthals since they weren't living in civilizations.

So, now that we have calculus, because 1 person came up with it, and now is being taught in colleges/universities all throughout the world... would you say that before Newton came up with calculus, let's say the ancient Greek or Egyptian civilizations, would you say that the ancient Egyptians, who used lots of math, just didn't "want" to come up with calculus? Or would you say that humans didn't have enough time yet for that 1 person to come up with calculus?

So, this is why when you say, "Neanderthals didn't want to do X", it doesn't make sense, when the reality was that they just didn't have enough time like Egyptians and calculus.

That's still a poor comparison.

I hope you understand that us (modern humans), neanderthals and homo erectus, during the cavemen era, none contributed to science. Not because they didn't want to, but because they didn't have enough time.

It took modern humans from cavemen times to 1700 C.E., for someone to come up with calculus. Neanderthals and Homo Erectus didn't have that time, not to mention, Homo Erectus was much less intelligent than us.

I don't see how this is relevant. You were talking about the "industrial revolution" specifically being a factor for other alien species to have similar or more advanced tech than us.

The idea is that other alien species would reach our level of intelligence or greater. And regardless of an industrial revolution, technology would come about because of intellectual achievements similar to the ones I mentioned here on Earth (Isaac Newton, Galileo, etc).

Or, based on your neanderthal/homo erectus comment, is your question that other alien species can't and won't reach our level of intelligence (or greater) at all?

I see what you're saying, and it does make sense.

However, think of the great achievements made during the Greek, Roman, Egyptian empires, as well as the Chinese Dynasties, etc. And now add to that, people like Galileo, Isaac Newton, Francis Bacon, who added so much to science without an industrial revolution.

Beings with more intelligence would arrive at those mathematical principles that Newton arrived much faster perhaps? I am sure there might be other life forms out there much smarter than us, and that alone perhaps could make an industrial revolution irrelevant for their space exploration.