Ironic, why do you think that biological urge exists?

Regardless the initial reason for engaging doesn’t make any difference so long as it was consensual. So uhh, yea you’re wrong. They are both avoidable.

Also, I don’t have to be an idiot along with you or anyone else who wants to cover their eyes and pretend that a human life with potential is not inherently an innocent child. Not a plea to emotion, a recognition of reality.

No, they can save your life, but pregnancy in and of itself is not generally lethal also, there is no innocent child at stake so that’s not even close to being a realistic analogy.

Abortion would be more analogous to you choosing to drive after you’ve become drunk with the specific intent to kill somebody because they get on your nerves. And then saying you never consented to getting drunk so even though you made every faulty and stupid decision leading up to that point it isn’t your fault.

If you are defining it legally only then you can define humans as property in many nations even today. Also, in that case, I assume you would agree that abortion is not a right because legally speaking the Supreme Court says so?

Because actions have consequences? How old are you? How do you not understand this? If you drink a lot, you are by proxy consenting to being drunk you can’t just wish it not to happen it is a biological reality. If you have sex (regardless of protective measures) you are consenting to the possibility of getting pregnant. You can’t pretend it’s totally separate when one is totally and completely dependent on the other to occur.

So it’s murder in Texas but not in California? I know legally speaking sure, but if you depend on corrupt politicians from either side to define important moral values you are in for some big surprises when you open up a history book for the first time.

That’s interesting, so let’s say you were gonna be born vaginally and last minute it’s a c-section, does the oxygen magically cause a souls to spontaneously occur? What if you are a premie? Does the soul not show up till later? I’m honestly curious as to where the soul comes from.

Exactly, just like we can’t murder everyone in prison because they are a burden on society and live a bad life and even worse than innocent pre born children, have actually committed crimes. You still can’t choose to end life because it is more convenient for you.

It’s pro-murder not “pro-choice” let’s drop the disgusting euphemisms that make animals feel comfortable talking about it

The consent was given when she had sex, unless it was rape, this argument falls flat on its face. That’s like me committing a crime and then saying I don’t consent to handcuffs anymore. Sure under most circumstances no one can legally handcuff me, but if I’ve committed a crime that directly resulted in my detention then it doesn’t matter if I want to throw a fit, reality exists.