Uvtha-

Uvtha- t1_j45kqso wrote

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That seems more like going easy on yourself rather than expecting more. I get that it's just a stupid aphorism I'm nit picking, but I think it just might not be a great one, hah.

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Uvtha- t1_iyd24lz wrote

I mean, yes, you can apply objective measurements to peoples subjective experiences, that's the whole reason we make an effort to gather empirical data rather than just relying one how we feel. Obviously people can have a flawed perspective, and also some people will be on the bottom end of the bell curve in any situation. Neither of which are invalid positions when in regard to individual... but when you are trying to express the general state of the world it's not useful to try and frame it through the lenses of one persons subjective experience, you know?

It sucks to hear about your situation, mine's not very good either. That said I know that my life isn't the only or even anything near the most average example of life in the modern age in general.

I in no way think that either the world is dormant or that nothing can go wrong, quite the contrary. The world is full of injustice and inequality, and there are very real looming existential crises... That said, just because it sucks doesn't mean it's not an improvement on the past. Most of human history was really really horrible especially for people in the lower classes.

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Uvtha- t1_iycb501 wrote

The fact that there are still classes and injustice doesn't mean that there's been no social progress made, there quite obviously has been. You live a far more secure, socially free, and politically relevant position than any 17th century peasant, and to say otherwise is pretty silly.

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Uvtha- t1_iyc978c wrote

Not yet, but it almost certainly will. When we have more advanced robotics, and fully functional AI systems they will replace most if not functionally all human labor.

The real reason automation hasn't replaced human labor is that the robots still require human input. When AI reaches a sufficient stage it no longer will. Also at that point there will likely be a shift away from robotics designed to be utilized by human to ones designed to be utilized by AI. Things like operating nano machine masses in tandem that humans couldn't even accomplish if they wanted to.

To be clear I'm talking about more like in 100+ years than in 10-20 or whatever. It really depends on how advanced AI gets how quickly but there's no reason not to expect (barring our premature extinction) that eventually AI/robotic systems will be able to do anything humans can currently do, but better and faster, including art. Even in it's current infancy we can see how easily it can replicate human effort, just project that down the line.

At such a point human labor (and even human creativity) will become superfluous at a technical level in almost all situations. What happens to humanity from there, it's hard to say. It could be the end of us, or some weird transhumanist shift, or I dunno a voluntary simplification into one of those goofy star-treky super agrarian utopias ... who can really say.

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Uvtha- t1_iy9d5tm wrote

They likely wouldn't ever break in a meaningful way. Thing generally break because of imperfect human design and oversight. The eventual AI that will be developed will likely be much more capable of designing and maintaining the tools needed to do the space labor. It would be monitoring everything 24/7 and fixing problems (with advanced AI designed robotics) before they happen. It all depends on how quickly AI develops, but human labor is not going to be a big part of the sci fi future. In fact humans may not be a big part of it at all.

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Uvtha- t1_iy9c1zx wrote

Really depends how far into the future. Once advanced AI is working in tandem with advanced robotics and advanced space flight (likely once the AI comes it will develop the other two better than humans could) there really won't be much for humans to do that a AI designed and operated robot cant do like 100x more efficiently, including take care of the robots/AI. I imagine there will be people around to try to keep the AI from deciding that humans are no longer worth the upkeep, but beyond that it's just gonna be... a search of ways to pleasantly spend our time/avoid collective madness? I'm guessing virtual reality will be ubiquitous.

I don't really see how the concept of money as we understand it will be sustainable when no one has work to do, and resources are really only limited by how far we can go in space.

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