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Slow-Schedule-7725 t1_jarpbkv wrote

well id rather an expert with a closed mind than a random reddit user with a closed mind🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️ also i literally said “its the content aND the source that matters” and “the source matters just as much as the content does.” not “more,” not “only the source matters.” its a combination of the two, you can’t look at one without looking at the other, thATS the “logical fallacy.”

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Slow-Schedule-7725 t1_jarn4xr wrote

more valuable than whOSE?? there aren’t any ideas that areN’T human. we created the literal idea of ideas. ideas dont exist without us. and its the content aND the source that matters. if you saw a post saying there was a mole in the white house and you clicked and saw it was from a Chinese newspaper, you’d probably disregard it, but if it was from the head of the pentagon i bet you’d give it more credence. thats literally the entire reason you have to cite your sources in academic work, because the source matters just as much as the content does

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Slow-Schedule-7725 t1_jarjzcd wrote

very confused as to how stating her credentials in the field contradicts having an open mind?? no one’s saying “you must listen to her because she’s an expert,” however it does and should give her thoughts more credibility than u/Surur also hiLARIOUS that you think demanding your literal humanity be considered in a conversation can be equated to having a closed mind.

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Slow-Schedule-7725 t1_jar4dlp wrote

yes we don’t know how our own mind works, but we dO know how other minds work as in dogs, cats, iguanas, anteaters, etc. which would suggest that our mind is vastly more complex than those. also, if we make the machine, it cannot become more complex than us yet perhaps when AGI or ASI is created, but we don’t even know if thats possible yet. even with my limited understanding of LLMs i can say with like 98% certainty that they cannot and will never be able to surpass the human mind in terms of depth and complexity. knowledge does not equal understanding. even if one were to memorize every single textbook on biology, for example, they wouldn’t hold a candle to someone who has been our in the field because there are always unknowns and quirks and things that aren’t in the books. you can know what a dog is like by reading about it, you can know that dogs make people happy, you can know that they’re full of life, but to actually experience being with a dog is a different matter entirely

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Slow-Schedule-7725 t1_jar21po wrote

i wonder how many people commenting actually read the entire article and didn’t just stop when they had the thought “this is stupid. this lady doesn’t know what she’s talking about.” because i would urge you to realize that this is exactly the same thing that ignorant, far-rights do and is what keeps them ignorant and safe in their bubble. if y’all are really so excited about progression; it starts with having an open mind, with being willing to consider ideas that differ from your own. dismissing ideas out of hand just undermines yourselves and reveals your own insecurities and doubts, especially when those ideas are coming from a literal doctor in the field of computational linguistics who is a highly regarded professor at UW and a Stanford PHD graduate.

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Slow-Schedule-7725 t1_japinwh wrote

also as to how everyone is so sure they aren’t able to infer meaning and concepts from that training- someone made them, built them. its the same way someone knows what makes a car engine work or an airplane fly, just much more complicated. i’m not saying a machine won’t eVER be able to do these things, no one can say that for sure, but LLMs cannot. they do “learn,” but only to the extent of their programming, which is why AGI and ASI would be such a big deal.

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Slow-Schedule-7725 t1_japi03f wrote

well you may not have personally experienced them, but you inevitably will have thoughts and opinions and memories in reaction to the experiences in the book and, as a result, emotions. all these happen without your knowledge or effort and will, in some way, inform how you go about your life after reading said book. even if you haven’t personally “experienced” the specific events in the book, what you hAVE experienced will inform your reaction to and opinion of the event(s). experience is uniquely and wholly different from inference and you can’t compare human inference to machine inference- we simply don’t know enough about the human mind to do so, however, what we do know is every single experience in one’s life somehow informs every inference that we make, which, at this current moment and as far as i know, is impossible for a machine as it cannot “experience” the way we can.

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