Originally posted by u/lunchboxultimate01

r/longevity

The Methuselah Foundation (another Aubrey de Grey's foundation) has recently advocated for alternatives to animal testing, such as organs-on-a-chip and organoids, and they announced a prize to help foment research in the area:

>Passed unanimously in September by the U.S. Senate, the bill faces a promising outlook in the House...
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>This rare consensus across bipartisan lines represents a scientific tipping point into an era where new technologies can now outperform animal studies for many indications, says cell biologist Don Ingber, the founding director of the Wyss Institute for Biologically Inspired Engineering at Harvard University in Boston. Animal research continues to benefit people in a variety of ways and is unlikely to disappear altogether, he says. But given a strong preference for alternatives on both sides of the aisle, the change could potentially be a win for animals, people, and science.

None of these examples explain why only the ultra wealthy would get this.

It makes economic sense to fund and subsidize, just like vaccines.

>We show that a slowdown in aging that increases life expectancy by 1 year is worth US$38 trillion, and by 10 years, US$367 trillion. Ultimately, the more progress that is made in improving how we age, the greater the value of further improvements.
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>https://www.nature.com/articles/s43587-021-00080-0

Βecause I'm responding to the same comments, essentially.

>You have yet to produce a single credible argument why a life prolonging technology wouldn’t benefit the ultra rich much greater and to the detriment of everyone else.

Because it's more profitable to sell it to everyone than a few select ultra rich.

Plus aging costs us trillions every year. Your non existent argument: "muh I saw a stupid movie!! I coped really well. I like to cope!"

>Imagine Elon or Jeff living 200+ years. You don’t have to imagine. Someone already did and wrote a book called Altered Carbon. It’s a Netflix series too. Bad news for anyone but the ultra rich.

We're debating your idiotic notion that the ultra rich will be able to get this only because muh altered carbon!

Exactly

>we there’s still a lot of poor people dying from hunger, lack of clean water and preventable diseases?

Because it's a different kind of problem. How many tons of food the US throws away again? Do you tell cancer researchers to stop working because there is world hunger first?

No, as opposed to you, I replied to the original commenter and your comment because I'm not biased.

Just because it's fiction doesn't mean shit. Not a single argument was made worth taking into consideration.

"Muh Altered Carbon!"

No, I'm telling you that these therapies will pay for themselves, since we waste trillions of dollars on old people.

Any government with a brain will make sure it'll be for everyone just like the covid vaccine.

You've lost and haven't even realized it.

Νope. By reversing aging you make them productive again.

High infectious disease mortality rate is a side effect of immunosenescence, to spell it out to you, aged immune system.

Trillions of dollars are wasted every year to take care of old people.

Logic is against you mate.

My point is that just because it's fiction doesn't mean you should consider it the future or even likely.

The benefits of life extension outweigh the risks.

>You’re pretty hostile.

Yeah sorry about that. Tired of this subs doomers.

That person above completely dismissed the field of biomedical gerontology, scientists' decades of work because he or she saw a movie ysing the sour grapes tactic. And yet you didn't reply to them

No, medical research won't stop because a gamer from reddit thinks that dementia, cancer and heart disease for everyone should be the norm in the future so that Musk and Bezos age + die as well.

What is that doomer comment supposed to mean? Is there a class war? In your head maybe?

Then what's the point of replying with I'm good at 65, nah.

No one wants to grow old, get sick and malfunction. And no real argument was made about why the rich will receive this only.

Oh but Altered Carbon!!

Surely you've heard supply and demand. Everybody ages and dies. It'll be impossible to get re-elected if you don't make sure it's affordable or even the society to function.

I don't care about how you cope with aging and death. What you're saying makes no sense.

>Yeah nah I’m good at 65 or so

You don't get to decide how long others are allowed to live. Or that they must age and suffer age related diseases like dementia because "you're good at 65 or so"

It's stupid to think that offering rejuvenation therapies to rich people only will turn out to be more profitable than offering them to the masses.

That doomer movie didn't take that into account, because it's easier to give people cope.

What is the point of this comment? Do the math yourself.

Everybody ages and dies. What's more profitable, sell it only to the rich or to the masses?

Simple logic.

>Ah yes, because no fictional work has ever held a deeper meaning, warned of things to come, accurately predicted the future, or been the basis of inventions /s

And a lot of fictional work turned out to be utter BS. That doesn't mean anything. Are you going to reject pioneering technology because you coped really well with Altered Carbon? Fiction usually tries to make people feel better about themselves - sour grapes.

Longer life (can't have it) oh it would be boring, the evil rich would only stay young (which doesn't even make sense, since the most profitable solution wouldn't be to offer age reversal to the rich only).

Rich people (can't have it) are the bad guys and the main character will save us.

Imagine using fiction as a predictor of what's to come because it fits your r/collapse agenda.

>When the experts declare the upper limits of life expectancy, we believe it like some law of the universe. When someone dies at, say, 80, we accept that they’ve lived a good long life. We’ve become conditioned to believe it, and like so many other things connected to one’s mindset, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. “Normal” cholesterol in a society where it’s “normal” to drop dead of a heart attack really should not be considered a good thing. Right? We don’t achieve more than we expect. But if we do expect more, it must begin with an understanding of what’s really going on in the body. We are starting to do that now, thanks to the biological, cellular, and genetic ground truths established by the sciences and technologies advanced by the likes of Viome, Life BioSciences, Elysium, and many other emerging players the world will soon hear about.

>Clearly, something’s got to give. Right?

None of this is lost on the investment community, which is set to plow billions into a nascent industry that is fast approaching its inflection point. Driving that inflection is a fundamental pivot from treating symptoms—the bread and butter of the rapidly collapsing medical-industrial complex—to addressing the root causes of aging and disease. It’s a shift that is ushering in a new and immensely disruptive paradigm that some analysts envision creating a global market approaching $300B by 2030. It’s likely bigger when you add in personalized skin health and beauty—not to mention food.

>It may strike many as common sense that most causes of death are what we have come to understand as “age-related”: The longer we live, the more likely we are to develop, for example, heart disease, cancer, or Alzheimer’s. Therefore, a reasonable thing one can do to prevent the development of age-related diseases, is to, well, not age. It turns out that’s actually not as flippant as it sounds. So, is that possible and how do we get there?
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>In short, all strategies for life extension revolve around a combination of three factors, all working together to fortify health and wellness for a longer haul: 1) things you should stop doing (I have a list which I mostly ignore, you?), 2) things you should start doing (honestly part of my same list), and 3) adopting the contributions of new health and wellness technologies and scientific discoveries that are helping to curb aging. All three comprise parts of a budding ecosystem that is growing into a multibillion-dollar industry on an exponential trajectory to displace everything we have come to understand as modern medicine. If just what we know today were fully embraced and actualized, the global economy could also be transformed—and with it, a renaissance of human flourishing.
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>And we could use it. When ranking countries for life expectancy, the United States often doesn’t make the top 50—despite having the highest healthcare costs per capita in the world, by far. In other words, maybe we’re doing it wrong.