Your take that “Movies should have a positive influence on people, they should really inspire people to chase after their dreams and be hopeful” is genuinely a horrendously reductive and embarrassing way to approach art. Art is about exploring and expressing the full range of humanity, not just a shallow slice of it that makes you feel good about yourself.

You’ve also not actually provided any meaningful critiques of the film, just highlighted your own extremely limited and childish understanding of film/art.

And you’re perfectly entitled to feel that way about the movie, but when you look at all the facets you see positive about, it’s easy to see why it’s such an iconic film.

You asked why is the movie so iconic, and then mentioned a whole heap of major things about it you could still appreciate from it.

Those things and it’s storytelling are why, it’s just not a film that resonated with you.

I mostly agree with what you’re saying, and with the bit about Scorsese, but at this point we can look at the nominees and and know what the best performance is.

Yeoh is great in EEAAO, but Blanchett is better in Tár, which I think most people who have seen both would agree with. Yeoh winning this year would very much be a career Oscar and not truly reflective of the best performance.

That is true though to be fair. Career Oscar’s are a well established thing. Pretty much every year at least one of the acting awards doesn’t go to the best performance of the category.

No need to be an ass.

Sure, the songs aren’t very good, but they’re sporadically placed enough that it doesn’t really feel like a musical.

It must be difficult to balance tackling fascism while remaining digestible for children, but I just don’t think it’s accomplished well at all.

As far as biopics go, Elvis is not Oscar bait at all. It’s a very unique gaudy maximalist film, it doesn’t fit the conventions of “Oscar Bait”.

He said it wasn’t just for kids, not that it wasn’t for kids.

All the best.

I didn’t say you said that, I said the argument your making accomplishes that. It might be worth reading the points I’m actually making before saying I’m misunderstanding you.

There is nuance, but you can’t complain I’m missing the nuance in your position when you don’t understand what I’m saying, and making incredibly specific statements that remove and ignore nuance.

You cannot say I’m twisting words, when you tried to reframe my argument as something else, and completely twisted the literal director of the films words to pretend it’s not aimed at or suitable for children, when GDT has said he made sure it accommodated them. A family movie is a kids movie. It’s not a kids movie in the exact same way Paw Patrol is, but it is still one. I’m not sure what capacity you worked on it, but your mindset does not align with the creative mind behind it.

The way that you replied to my comment absolutely acts as if that was the argument I was making.

Del Toro actually talked about how the audience includes children, it’s just not a “babysitter”movie that offers no value to adults. You’re misinterpreting what he said. If kids weren’t the audience here, the PG adaptation of one of the most famous childrens stories ever would not handle its subject matter the way that it does, (including watering down the war and fascism so that it’s palatable to them). Insisting that kids movies are actually for adults and not suitable at all just devalues animations potential as an adult medium to the people who don’t think it is.

It’s a real shame that on the rare occasions kids get a genuinely good movie that seeks to teach them valuable lessons, you wouldn’t recommend them to watch it, and not thinking it’s suitable to kids shows an incredibly blatant misunderstanding of the material and it’s suitability since the director has said he made it palatable for them.

Bro come on, you can’t say you’re not being insecure about pretending it’s not made for kids, and then make a completely disingenuous rebuttal pretending I said something completely different and change the framing of the topic completely.

I never said animation is just for children, I literally did not claim that at all. I said Pinocchio is a kids film, which it is. It’s in the kids section of Netflix. It makes huge strides and effort to make itself palatable to children, and hold their hands throughout the entire thing story-wise. The entire purpose of how it presents itself thematically is to ensure that the children watching it get the point and take on the valuable lessons it has.

Adults can enjoy animation while also acknowledging that a film is made for children. It’s embarrassing that every time a kids film comes along that treats children with a bit of respect, grown adults like you have to pretend it’s not actually aimed at kids at all. If you want people who don’t respect animation to realise it can be for adults, actually champion animated films aimed at adults, instead of pretending films made for kids aren’t for kids, it’s not helping.

I’ve seen him talk about it. There’s nothing in the film that was particularly deep and the film has absolutely no restraint in how it works thematically.

It’s absolutely is a children’s movie come on dude lmao. I like the film as well, you do not need to be so insecure about liking a kids movies that you need to pretend it’s not one.

I’m not pretending there’s no sub text, it’s just not a particularly thematically deep film, and the film beats you over the head with its main themes repeatedly, it does not expect the viewer to do much of any thinking. It’s a kids first introduction to its themes and that’s fine given that it’s a kids film, but it’s not a particularly “deep cut into humanity as a whole”

It’s constantly telling you exactly what the themes are, what the characters are feeling and how you should feel/ the lessons you should be taking away from it etc.

Understandable for a kids film, but still not something I think is good.

It’s fine/good.

Wonderfully animated of course, but the material is ultimately very shallow and patronising, (which makes sense, it’s primarily aimed at children), it runs too long, and the songs are just not good for the most part.