Melodic-Upstairs7584

Melodic-Upstairs7584 t1_je6opzz wrote

Why not just present the argument that way if that’s how you feel? The entire post could be deleted and replaced with: “Support good cause eviction because it helps tenants. We shouldn’t care about property owners.” Your original post reads like your claiming the regulation will have a neutral impact on property owners.

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Melodic-Upstairs7584 t1_je2yph2 wrote

“White people” are not a group stop it with this nonsense. 7th generation Americans from the Midwest say this because they’re a monoculture. An Albanian from the Bronx has more in common with a Puerto Rican from Harlem than they do with someone from an all-white football town in Ohio.

Grow up and stop projecting.

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Melodic-Upstairs7584 t1_je2xhgp wrote

I have a theory that a lot of white progressives grow up in super white, essentially segregated suburbs. They grow up in a bubble, are probably a bit racist themselves (nothing super vitriolic, I’ve just noticed they all seem to be terrified of areas like the Bronx or non-trendy BK that are predominantly POC). They then move to big, naturally diverse cities to “educate people” who were already coexisting in relative peace with one another, many being first and second generation Americans themselves. They fail to realize that it is in fact them, their parents, grandparents, etc back in Wisconsin who perpetuated racism and segregation. It’s like they can’t accept the fact that they were raised in de facto segregation, so they have to project their experience on everyone else.

And when they can’t afford to live in an all-white neighborhood in NYC in their mid thirties, they move back to Wisconsin. Can’t make this shit up.

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Melodic-Upstairs7584 t1_j9wo8gk wrote

Fair enough, what valid inverse condemnation claims in NY state have you observed that resulted from the revocation of a temporary permit? I can give you two common circumstances off the top of my head where these claims always fail:

A) I’m a restaurant owner and my liquor license was revoked, my business has been irrevocably damaged and I demand just compensation. These are denied because no business in NY state has an inalienable right to sell alcohol, they receive a permit which can be revoked at any time.

B) I’m a concert / event organizer and my permit to conduct my event was revoked by a county/municipality/etc. My brand is inseparable from the location where said event was held, so I demand just compensation. These are denied because no business in NY state has an inalienable right to host a high-capacity concert, they receive a permit which can be revoked at any time.

Valid inverse condemnation claims have a pretty high bar and involve assets that have been damaged due to material and reasonably unforeseeable changes (i.e an international airport is opened up next to a nature preserve for exotic birds). There were interesting inverse condemnation claims that were filed during the construction of the USA/Mexico border wall by effected property owners, for example.

Not renewing a permit is not a material change of circumstance. The permit is inherently temporary. It has an expiration date, renewal terms, cancelation clauses (I’m assuming).

If James Dolan sold you MSG under the pretense that the permit was guaranteed forever, you would have a valid legal claim against him. The city is under no obligation to renew the permit in perpetuity, therefore there has been no change to the value of the property, therefore no claim.

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Melodic-Upstairs7584 t1_j9vw7tc wrote

I think this is also relevant:

“Alexandros Washburn, executive director of the Grand Penn Community Alliance, which calls for MSG to relocate, said that 10 years was long enough for MSG to have found a new location and planned a new arena. The complaint of no progress is a “self-inflicted hardship,” he said.

Washburn, a city planner under former Mayor Mike Bloomberg, was among three architects who last month presented their visions for a better Penn Station, all three of which relied on MSG relocating. Around 100 people showed up for their presentation at the Great Hall in Cooper Union.”

I don’t have much of an opinion on whether or not msg should be moved, but this isn’t an issue of eminent domain. No one is asking Dolan to transfer ownership and no one is saying he can’t operate sporting events. MSG has a special permit allowing for increased capacity that lasted for a period of ten years. Dolan wanted the original permit to be permanent because he was aware then, as he is today, that the city could decline to renew it for any reason. If Dolan ever transferred the stadium to a new owner, that entity would also be aware that permits can be revoked, even if they felt it was very likely to be renewed. That would be factored into the sale price, so the value of the property is unaffected.

Not sure why they asked an eminent domain attorney for an opinion. Shaping this as an eminent domain argument is interesting, but a complete non-starter.

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