Lumpy-Passenger-1986

Lumpy-Passenger-1986 t1_istkwb7 wrote

I guess my stance on post modernism is complicated. I agree with it to an extent, but looking at it as a realist I can only comment based on how I see the world working. Your arguments make many valid points, but you look at them from a viewpoint where the ideology is trying to exist in the overall societal thought process. If our society was built off of the beliefs of post modernism instead of what it actually was built off of, than it all could work very well because we as humans would redirect how we understand things based on those beliefs. Basically we could have adapted. But because post modernism is clashing with modern beliefs of society, it’s seems more likely to be ridiculous. It’s like objectivism. People say objectivists can’t live in the real world, and that’s not entirely true. They have a hard time living in the world that we created, and thus must try to live like that against the majority. If time had been different and somehow the founding fathers had decided to build the USA with a different philosophy in mind, it could have been just as successful as people imagined. So I guess I have a question for you now. Do your views and beliefs line up with overall society? Because if they came from and were influenced by said society, than that society’s truth is your truth. But In my mind, this does not make it the absolute truth. And as long as there are even just a few people who believe differently than the only logic post modernism defies is YOUR logic. Because there is no absolute truth and we as humans will most likely never know as we can only comprehend so much, than logic itself could also be questioned and argued with. Please know that I am neither agreeing or disagreeing with you because as we both agreed, we will never actually know who is right or wrong. Now from a purely scientific perspective (assuming it is 100% accurate and is hypothetically speaking the ABSOLUTE TRUTH) than post modernism makes absolutely no sense. But from a perspective based off of beliefs, ideology, and knowing that you don’t really have THE TRUTH, than the arguments made hold enough weight for me to take it somewhat seriously from an interest standpoint.

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Lumpy-Passenger-1986 t1_isqcr02 wrote

It’s a paradox I suppose. If the truth is that their is no truth. It’s the same thing. The statement in itself can’t be proven true or false because it is both true and false. If we are talking very literally, than if everyone sees a different truth than either nothing would happen because no one could agree on anything, or anything and everything could happen. As for objective reality, for some people even reality isn’t reality. The philosophical idea of solipsism is the idea that the only thing that you can be certain truly exists is your own mind. I wouldn’t go so far as to say I believe that, but it’s an interesting thought that there are people that are not sure anything is true or real, even their own body. I guess that because the idea of truth can be subjective, anything or nothing could be any truth of any kind depending on your point of view.

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Lumpy-Passenger-1986 t1_ispyhdy wrote

I suppose it depends on your interpretation of the truth. I for one don’t view societal expectations as truth because each society has different truths, and thus no one will ever know which truth is “THE TRUTH”. It may also depend on spiritual belief. If you don’t believe there is a higher power, than maybe there is no truth. Each society creates their list of rights and wrongs yet no society is right or wrong because it doesn’t matter. If you do believe in a higher power, than the truth may only come from them, and no one will actually know the actual truth until they meet their maker.

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Lumpy-Passenger-1986 t1_isptx07 wrote

If someone does something you view as bad, but in their mind it is without a shadow of a doubt doing good, do you still consider them evil? Or just misguided? Many places around the world have different, often conflicting beliefs. What seems like a normal every day part of life to someone on one side of the world may seem like a heinous crime to someone on the other side of the world. But if they have been taught that it was just normal, or it’s just what you do since birth to adulthood, can we really call them truly evil when to them it’s just how it’s always been? It’s what they were taught to believe? Or take someone who grew up in a different time period. They were raised on specific values and beliefs since birth, let’s say in the 40s. Now it’s 2022, they held on to the beliefs they were raised with, but today those beliefs seem barbaric, cruel…. Evil. Does that make the person evil? Because they stuck with what they were taught? Because they held on to those beliefs that at the time they were young were the absolute right beliefs? Think about this and remember that no one will truly know who is right and wrong, who is good and evil, until either judgement day arrives, or the world just ends and we die knowing nothing. And reflect on the fact that “the road to hell is paved with good intentions” no matter who you are. Because no matter what you believe in, no one on this earth has the answer, only the creator(s) of the world itself know for sure, or maybe their isn’t an answer and no one is wrong or right. We have wars over beliefs, and yet truthfully neither side could ever know who is truly right.

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Lumpy-Passenger-1986 t1_iqx8ivl wrote

I guess it’s simply because the faith comes from the belief. They believe it is true. They believe it is real. Their entire philosophy is built upon that belief. For them maybe it’s not entertaining themselves, it’s just out of pure belief that what was told will happen. And as much as facts are thrown at them, they don’t interpret them as facts, but instead as either nonsense or inconsequential to their truth.

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Lumpy-Passenger-1986 t1_iqx76da wrote

The paradox of utopia I often find in literature and fiction that utopian societies are often based around one particular set of ideals or philosophies. Examples like bioshock, 1984, and we happy few are recent enough examples for context. And they either always fail, or looked on in a negative light. This is because the idea of a utopia for everyone is impossible. The idea of a utopia is in itself subjective. Everyone has different values and beliefs, wants and desires. Everyone has a different idea of a perfect world, of how things should be run, on what should and shouldn’t be done. And most ideas of a utopian society would be doomed from the start because within a society’s worth of people, there will always be those who have their own ideas. What is perfect to someone will not be the same as perfect to someone else.

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