Yeah me too. Hopes my government doesn't fucks up too (which probably they will)

So are you going to start a campaign to send weapons to Russia for not using nukes? And these Aids or cost cut on military hardware only strengthened Pakistan military . Them being stronger than their government is one of the reason for instability in the entire region

Yes they did. The mujahideen that got training in pakistan by american funding that went ahead and founded the Taliban. Northern alliance was based on tribal power play . Those who were religiously motivated joined Taliban regardless of their tribal roots. Same elements are no biting pakistan on the ass as pak taliban

>Fine, that was a typo. I meant the one to Pakistan that you mentioned right from the start.

Okay

>I assume this is a typo.

Yes. I will correct it

>But with every US deal beneficial there is a larger US deed where we come out as losers

>Do you have any actual evidence that the US has had over $15B in defense trade with Pakistan in a single decade compared to the defense trade with India?

Just another claim that you refuse to give the slightest bit of context to.

Your support for pak side in war, sales of discounted weapons and planes which india protested and you said won't be used against India but eventually ended up using against india and even guns ending up in terrorist hands.. Financial aids. The unwillingness to sanction pakistan on terrorist organisation support. And your own state department saying it gave 32B in aid to pakistan .

>Sure you did. Which is why you have yet to actually give any workable identifying information to mostly anything you said.

Your congress alone approved 18B in military aid for pakistan in early 2000 to mid 2010s . These are easily available records online and in US department records. I am just not willing to spend the time to prepare and spoon feed that information to you.

I said that statement only on 26/11 mumbai attacks you are reading it out of context. I didn't go back from anything else I said. America did support Taliban . They funded mujahedeen. Dude you made Movies about your support for religious terrorist in Afghanistan. There are a lot of article how you (USA) pushed wahabism and radical islamical ideologies just google it and read.

I don't think America or Americans are evil , it's just America was an unreliable partner in the past . And when it comes to abandoning long term ally in favour of US we do have the reservations. Thats it. I like most Indians condone all invasions. Wether that was done by Russia or others. We are always open to all relationship that benefits my country. But I don't really support a Black and white world. It's all grey. Russia might be the big bad wolf in the eyes of America and europe but thats not the right picture from our side. We condemn Ukraine war the same way we condemn Iraq war but we done condemn Russia or US. I also think it's a great opportunity for both country if we can make it work. We just wants to be like swiss neutral to all.

I stand corrected. US anty terrorism agent was the cause of 3rd largest terrorist attack on the country. Do you agree with the fact a US agent was involved ?

I never anything about any packages to India. Read again And do you really think we are idiots not to take a deal if it's beneficial to us. ? But with every US deal beneficial there is a larger US deed where we come out as losers And I did my digging for my claims .just not willing to do it again something thag you can do on your own time.

>That $450 package to India wasn't 'aid' either. It was also 'trade'.

What package ?

>And, in the same vein, they don't just like Pakistani money or is this special now?

If they like pakistani money why are they trying to friends with India now ? Just go be with your friends

>You think Pakistan got shit for free? Who told you this crap LMAO

Yup, they got a lot of free aid. Just google

>The biggest terrorist attacks in India was by the Indian mafia, actually. Homegrown terrorism, and all that. You're going to need to be a wee bit more specific

What are you ,an idiot ? US even acknowledge their agent David hedley role in 26/11 mumbai terror attack. India mafia , homegrown terrorism ? When ? Nice diflect from the fact that USA made Taliban and mujahudeen with it all terrorist problems we all face now

When did 'trade' became 'aid' ? US traded weapons because US liked the smell of our money . Was there any technology transfer ? No Did they give anything as aid or free ? No. Who kept as away from all the technology or raw materials for which we could have developed our technology ? US We paid dearly with your counter terrorism agent became and participated in the biggest terrier attack we have ever seen. And the terrorism is a byproduct of what USA did in Afghanistan. The mujahudheen and Taliban US founded and funded is the root cause of almost all of the attacks responsible. US aid is peanuts when compared against the harm USA has done

Lol

>First of all, India accepted aid recently for Covid. Second of all, NGO's are good too. Third of all, it's easy for you take the aid then neither appreciate it nor have any intention of giving it back. Either way, America did give aid to India, which seems to be a waste of money.

Covid was special case . We did gave shipments of tablets when your president asked. Does that mean USA received aid from us during covid . Why would I force / try to force my government to gave you money when your government spend it on what they like . If it's government to government aid then I am more than happy to try and work for returning it

>Oh please . The anti-American propaganda you consume isn't actually representative of reality.

Oh I am amazed by the fact that you know propaganda doesn't mean ground reality. Yet you were quick to equate everything you heard to truth about Indian and Russian people.

>If the US wanted to nuke you, the USSR wouldn't be able to stop it. Nor was there a serious attempt at a blockade. So, as you said, it didn't happen, and intentions don't matter.

The point here is USA a nuclear powered nation tried to blackmail us then a non-nuclear country into submission. And the attempt was thwarted by Russians. What makes you think your country wouldn't have nuked us if Russia didn't came to our aid ?

>I guess there's no getting through to someone who is that blind. Russia is sending their own people, barely armed, to die in a pointless war for their dictator, whom they aren't even allowed to criticize, and you think you're their friend? You are nothing but a puppet against America to them. Ironically, the moment America is gone, is the moment Russia has no more use for you, and they start working on taking your lands.

We condemn the russian war on Ukraine but not Russia. Why are you angry at the fact that he is a dictator ? It didn't stopped your country from supporting dictators against my country . And FYI we are not puppets to anyone neither USA nor Russia. We look out for our own interests. And I did thought american schools teach geography, Russia and India doesn't have any land or sea border , how are they going to take our land. That comment looked like the boogie man stories people tell kids to make them fall in line.

>Not even remotely true from what I'm seeing.

That's because you are not looking on the right place. American petroleum product export from India in first 8 moths of 2022 is 3.68B. just give a google search and you can find it.

>Sure, stick your head in the ground and trust the aggressive dictatorship.

From your earlier claim you yourself told me propaganda from largely different from ground reality . You had no idea about what russian people thinks of india yet you made a claim. But the surveys i can find online claims otherwise. Now whose sticking their head on the ground. When I don't have definitive proof i will stick to past data , which is Russians helped India while Americans backstabbed or kicked us in the nuts

>Do it then. There's a lot of indians here, push for a return of the aid. But you won't, because you just want to take, like your scam centers.

There is a lot of Indians here ? What kind of argument is that, not even 1% of indians even have a Reddit account. Indian government doesn't take official aid since early 2000s . What ever your country gave they gave it to NGOs of their liking.

>Oh, of course, helping with human rights is a terrible thing, because America bad! Maybe you would feel better if it were cow rights, since those are treated better than women and Muslims in your country?.

Are you saying your human right help by helping contra rebels , or flooding the world with cocaine or toppling governments all over Africa and south america or political assassinations ? Or are you referring to recent human rights endeavours in Syria or Iraq or in Afghanistan. There is only one meaning for Human rights help in USA that's a helpful shield to promote American interest in the region. And you guys aren't even able to solve human rights problem in your own country . Blacks are still getting shot in the streets like dogs. First solve that before you venture out for other problems to solve.

>There were no actual blockades or nuclear strikes, and as you said before, "planning doesn't matter , what you actually does is the thing matters the most".

This is what happens when you are illiterate in history. USAs plan didn't work because USSR thwarted it. USA and UK did send their fleet for naval blockade but a USSR nuclear submarine and their fleet was dispatched to help us. That's the only reason it didn't work. So as you and I both agree US did acted there but failed miserably.

>First of all, don't act like you wouldn't sell out to the cheapest provider. Second of all, Russia has no friendly nations. You are incredibly naive to think Russia views anyone as friends, when even their own people are treated like meat for their overlords.

Lol . How naive you are. Russia do have friends everyone is just deals under the table now. And you guys are the biggest sell outs, do you know why ? Because you are the biggest buyer of purified petroleum product from us, so when ever you are driving a car you are supporting Russia. And about Russians you can repeat what ever your propaganda materials say , but it doesn't really matters to me

Yes a million times yes. But me saying give back the aid doesn't force anyone to give it back. And in recent past India never asked for aid. You just send it to improve " civil liberties and human rights " which is kind of like subtle espionage. It has nothing to do with the government. So feel free to ask any NGO's you gave money to return it too. And I acted like US supported India's enemies when ever we really needed help. Which is true. USA stood with our enemies , pressured us to give away our territories , Tried to blackmail us with naval blockades and nuclear strikes , put us on embargos and sanction lists , gave military aids to our enemies, gave aid to NGOs to destabilize our democracy and tried to stop infra projects through NGOs that USA gave aid and now USA want us to abandon a friendly nation that stood with us all these bad times while USA gave aid to our enemies less than 6 months ago? Where should we sign up for that ,massa ?

You really believe India is dependent on Russia for non military aid ? Or do you think India have any problems with humanitarian aid given by US to pakistan or any other country ? It's the military aid that's in question. What ever Kennedy planned didn't happened .good intentions and planning doesn't matter , what you actually does is the thing matters the most. US has always positioned itself with military dictators against India in the past while Russia helped us. US planning aid now is kind of feels like the guy in a van offering you candies

I am not aware of any military aid provided by America to India.

The last help US did was 450m USD sustainment package for Pakistan's f16s. So don't blame us Indians if we are not enthusiast about " US help ".