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Im-a-magpie t1_j9toado wrote
Reply to comment by Thelonious_Cube in Compatibilism is supported by deep intuitions about responsibility and control. It can also feel "obviously" wrong and absurd. Slavoj Žižek's commentary can help us navigate the intuitive standoff. by matthewharlow
The ordinary concept is simple libertarian free will. There's nothing contradictory about it. Most people just reject a deterministic universe. Compatibilism is motivated by some desperate need to preserve our intuitive notions of justice, morality and ethics instead of accepting that those intuitions are flawed and don't reflect reality.
Im-a-magpie t1_j9jz63p wrote
Reply to comment by OldMillenial in Compatibilism is supported by deep intuitions about responsibility and control. It can also feel "obviously" wrong and absurd. Slavoj Žižek's commentary can help us navigate the intuitive standoff. by matthewharlow
>constant allusions to the "fact" that if you don't "get it" then you're just not savvy enough, you're just not seeing things the right way.
This is the most frustrating thing when talking to a compatibilist. They basically start from the position that their belief is correct and if you disagree it's because you just don't get it.
The reality is they use the term "free will" in a completely different way than it's common conceptualization and then act as if their definition is the obvious one.
Im-a-magpie t1_j9jy5yo wrote
Reply to comment by Thelonious_Cube in Compatibilism is supported by deep intuitions about responsibility and control. It can also feel "obviously" wrong and absurd. Slavoj Žižek's commentary can help us navigate the intuitive standoff. by matthewharlow
>And that is perfectly compatible with determinism
It isn't though. The ordinary concept of free will (the way most people use the term) is directly on contradiction with a deterministic universe
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Reply to comment by mojoegojoe in Often mischaracterized as a rather debaucherous, hedonistic philosophy, Epicureanism actually focuses on the removal of pain and anxiety from our lives, and champions a calm ‘philosophy as therapy’ approach in pursuit of life’s highest pleasure: mental tranquility. by philosophybreak
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Im-a-magpie t1_ja1uetw wrote
Reply to comment by Thelonious_Cube in Compatibilism is supported by deep intuitions about responsibility and control. It can also feel "obviously" wrong and absurd. Slavoj Žižek's commentary can help us navigate the intuitive standoff. by matthewharlow
But also that you could, for whatever reason, choose to go against those things.
E: Also people believe taste, values and such are the product of conscious choice.