Few-Ganache1416
Few-Ganache1416 OP t1_j9a8cs0 wrote
Reply to comment by travelleraddict in IAMA Environmental Engineer AMA about cleaning up after chemical spills! by Few-Ganache1416
No, i have not.
Few-Ganache1416 OP t1_j996nou wrote
Reply to comment by bennymac111 in IAMA Environmental Engineer AMA about cleaning up after chemical spills! by Few-Ganache1416
I think you meant 8260D for the solid waste media. You can get equipment to look for one chemical in particular yes, but i think a PID/FID to start, maybe a mini or multiRAE would be best to monitor for long period and if it gets above the established thresholds then you could notify EPA and they could take care of the speciation of the chemicals.
Few-Ganache1416 OP t1_j93ma8d wrote
Reply to comment by CoraxTechnica in IAMA Environmental Engineer AMA about cleaning up after chemical spills! by Few-Ganache1416
phytoremediation, mycoremediation, and insect remediation are most effective in shallow heavy metal and plastics soil contamination. Anything deeper than about 3-5 feet and they lose effectiveness quite quickly. I have seen some promising insect remediation techniques for dealing with plastic wastes, but I don't think they have figured out how to implement it on a large scale yet.
Few-Ganache1416 OP t1_j93lwkt wrote
Reply to comment by 5Daddys1cop in IAMA Environmental Engineer AMA about cleaning up after chemical spills! by Few-Ganache1416
I do not have any experience dealing with medical waste, but they have their own regulations regarding the disposal practices required.
Few-Ganache1416 OP t1_j8zhapb wrote
Few-Ganache1416 OP t1_j8zh4th wrote
Reply to IAMA Environmental Engineer AMA about cleaning up after chemical spills! by Few-Ganache1416
It would have to be my little rubber ducky i inherited when I took my office space (see below)
Few-Ganache1416 OP t1_j8yfebl wrote
Reply to comment by DontWannaFilmAboutIt in IAMA Environmental Engineer AMA about cleaning up after chemical spills! by Few-Ganache1416
The news report states that it was water collected from the ground on their property. It does not mention any testing whatsoever. There are many reasons why that water might be green, including that it may be related to the release, but without testing, there is no way to know. This is not water from the tap. All tap water monitoring in the area has come up clean so far. https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/midwest/train-derailment-east-palestine-resident-refuses-sign-form/
Few-Ganache1416 OP t1_j8ye5qn wrote
Reply to comment by b00jum in IAMA Environmental Engineer AMA about cleaning up after chemical spills! by Few-Ganache1416
State and federal governments require that facilities evaluate potential exposure and notify nearby residents of potential exposures. So if no one is knocking on your door, or if you haven't received a notification from the state or someone else, then there probably isn't and immediate threat. However, that is based on known releases and doesn't necessarily account for fugitive emissions. If you are curious about what issues certain industries have around your neighborhood, a good place to start looking is the EPA ECHO website (see link below). You can pull up nearby facilities to see how well they are doing with compliance and in certain states you can look up the actual permits online anonymously. Other states may require an official FOIA request.
Few-Ganache1416 OP t1_j8y54rx wrote
Reply to comment by DontWannaFilmAboutIt in IAMA Environmental Engineer AMA about cleaning up after chemical spills! by Few-Ganache1416
Regarding the drinking/tap water, if you are going to make claims like this, then please provide evidence. Without evidence, people can make all types of claims. Air is the primary concern for nearby residents as it is the only complete exposure pathway at the moment unless they are rolling around in the mud near the spill site. HAZMAT crews who specialize in Level A/B PPE (respirators) can cleanup the site in timed intervals using a zoned cleanup plan.
Few-Ganache1416 OP t1_j8xqu7g wrote
Reply to comment by mbeckwithlaube in IAMA Environmental Engineer AMA about cleaning up after chemical spills! by Few-Ganache1416
I worked at a bulk liquid storage terminal once where they stored turpentine. I couldn't get the smell out of my nose or clothes for like a week but all air monitoring in the area was clean. Smell is a weird thing and its amazing how powerful our noses can be.
Few-Ganache1416 OP t1_j8xq9k1 wrote
Reply to comment by DontWannaFilmAboutIt in IAMA Environmental Engineer AMA about cleaning up after chemical spills! by Few-Ganache1416
They are performing real time and continuous air monitoring in the nearby area, which is standard protocol and should alert them to any potential VOCs in the air. If VOCs were at a level where PPE would be recommended I would urge my client (if they were my client) to evacuate the area instead, because PPE isn't a shield, its a band-aid which can prevent short term exposure but not a good long term solution. Air concentrations dissipate quickly radiating outwards, but may be concentrated in a particular wind direction. As long as they maintain this procedure, the town shouldn't need to worry about air exposure, unless wind conditions change. My understanding of the EPA's hesitation was the evaluation of the immediate area of the spill site, which is understandable but the workplan that the Norfolk consultants proposed included the removal of source material in the area. This requires specialized HAZMAT teams if the air in the immediate area of the site still poses an inhalation risk.
Few-Ganache1416 OP t1_j8xl9eg wrote
Reply to comment by KarateKid72 in IAMA Environmental Engineer AMA about cleaning up after chemical spills! by Few-Ganache1416
I found the laboratory analytical results for the surface water samples at the site, apparently one of the bottles broke in transit from the site to the lab, so I think you are right about not having enough sample for the analysis.
Few-Ganache1416 OP t1_j8x332i wrote
Reply to IAMA Environmental Engineer AMA about cleaning up after chemical spills! by Few-Ganache1416
Ohio EPA has released preliminary results for surface water samples collected throughout the Ohio River Basin. It appears that butyl acrylate was detected in surface water samples along this basin in several places. The detections are in the parts per billion (PPB) range which is quite low, however, there are no current drinking water or exposure standards for surface water for butyl acrylate. Without those risk standards, it is impossible to ascertain what current risks these results may pose to anyone fishing, swimming, or inadvertently drinking the water. Drinking water intakes from the river basin should remain OK as the water is treated before it is pumped into homes anyway. Anyone who lives near the areas listed in the following link should exercise caution and avoid direct contact with the river basin water and sediments.
https://epa.ohio.gov/static/Portals/47/citizen/response/East-Palestine-Ohio-River-Sampling-Data.pdf
Disclaimer: I do not work for any government agency. I do not represent Norfolk Southern or any of their contractors. I am an outside observer providing my knowledge to the public. My recommendations are based on an abundance of caution and coming in contact with the surface water may or may not pose an actual risk. But without concrete risk numbers to compare to from a toxicological report, it is impossible for anyone to say if the levels are safe or not for sure.
Few-Ganache1416 OP t1_j8wpah2 wrote
Reply to comment by Barlow_Ben in IAMA Environmental Engineer AMA about cleaning up after chemical spills! by Few-Ganache1416
See any superfund site or military base. They are riddled with problems that industry left behind when they went bankrupt or were just totally ignored due to "national defense priority" arguments, like burn pits in Iraq.
Few-Ganache1416 OP t1_j8wog6x wrote
Reply to IAMA Environmental Engineer AMA about cleaning up after chemical spills! by Few-Ganache1416
I wanted to thank everyone for there questions. This is my first AMA but I will certainly do more in the future if I see a need or if their is interest. I will still monitor this post, however, given my work schedule I can't dedicate a lot of time to online questions when my clients also have questions.
Few-Ganache1416 OP t1_j8wmoy4 wrote
Reply to comment by StructureNo8299 in IAMA Environmental Engineer AMA about cleaning up after chemical spills! by Few-Ganache1416
I highly doubt they are concerned with a matter of convenience in this scenario and I also doubt they are shipping these samples rather than direct transport for faster results.
Few-Ganache1416 OP t1_j8wmcxc wrote
Reply to comment by MerlesJ in IAMA Environmental Engineer AMA about cleaning up after chemical spills! by Few-Ganache1416
Absorption of chemicals into plant material or uptake generally is more of a concern with heavy metals contamination. VC and other VOCs do not readily absorb into plant matter, either through respiration or through the root structure. In fact, the use of phytoremediation is quite useful for shallow soil metal contamination as certain trees will clean the soil quite effectively. In those cases, the plant material itself is treated as potentially hazardous and is tested as such. Depending on the concentration in the plant material it may be deposited into a hazardous waste landfill or normal landfill but in most cases it is never burned.
Few-Ganache1416 OP t1_j8wlyb1 wrote
Reply to comment by DontWannaFilmAboutIt in IAMA Environmental Engineer AMA about cleaning up after chemical spills! by Few-Ganache1416
It sounded like it was there last option, but we wont know until a full report comes out. Burning chemicals is allowed under certain circumstances to prevent a much worse outcome (e.g. an uncontrolled explosion or chain reaction of the chemical).
Few-Ganache1416 OP t1_j8v5580 wrote
Reply to comment by TylerJWhit in IAMA Environmental Engineer AMA about cleaning up after chemical spills! by Few-Ganache1416
For the worst environmental disaster check out Times Beach, Missouri. As far as response goes, I dont really have one that I can think of as the worst. The best responses are the ones you never hear about and they happen all the time :).
Few-Ganache1416 OP t1_j8v4sf7 wrote
Reply to comment by heemat in IAMA Environmental Engineer AMA about cleaning up after chemical spills! by Few-Ganache1416
Thanks! A lot of my job is relaying very technical data to people who may not have technical backgrounds, so i have a bag full of analogies on hand XD.
Few-Ganache1416 OP t1_j8v4nsu wrote
Reply to comment by 8ngryW0lf999 in IAMA Environmental Engineer AMA about cleaning up after chemical spills! by Few-Ganache1416
Newly built homes may have elevated concentrations of VOCs from paint, varnishing, and other building supplies. If you believe there is a problem, you can rent what is called a Photo Ionization Detector (PID) from environmental rental equipment suppliers and measure the concentrations yourself or have a contractor perform a walkthrough with the device.
Few-Ganache1416 OP t1_j8v4fru wrote
Reply to comment by painlesspics in IAMA Environmental Engineer AMA about cleaning up after chemical spills! by Few-Ganache1416
I'm not saying they aren't paying attention to it, just that I haven't seen anything in the public space at the moment.
Few-Ganache1416 OP t1_j8v4c59 wrote
Reply to comment by ladyparsnips in IAMA Environmental Engineer AMA about cleaning up after chemical spills! by Few-Ganache1416
It can be disposed of in many different ways. Depending on the concentrations in the material and the media itself. For water, it can be solidified by pouring cement into it and then landfilling it or it may be able to be treated through a water treatment system (either public or private). For soil media, it may go to a normal landfill or it may need to be sent to a special hazardous waste landfill. Soil can also be incinerated at specialized hazardous waste incineration facilities (although that is quite expensive).
Few-Ganache1416 OP t1_j8v3w7k wrote
Reply to comment by KNB-f in IAMA Environmental Engineer AMA about cleaning up after chemical spills! by Few-Ganache1416
Look for universities or colleges that offer environmental engineering degrees and focus on your studies. Interning while in college is a great way to learn more about the industry as well.
Few-Ganache1416 OP t1_j9ah15y wrote
Reply to comment by Few-Ganache1416 in IAMA Environmental Engineer AMA about cleaning up after chemical spills! by Few-Ganache1416
Ohio EPA and EPA have established a 560 ppb screening value for n-butyl acrylate based on the ATSDR Provisional Health Guidance Value (HGV). All of the hits (positive detections) within the Ohio River are well below this number, around 12.5 ppb at it's peak approximately 0.2 miles from the release site. The majority are between 1-2 ppb farther away from the site, just above laboratory detection limits.
https://epa.ohio.gov/static/Portals/47/citizen/response/East-Palestine-Ohio-River-Sampling-Data.pdf