True but you're forgetting the upgrades within that generation, I'm not arguing the entire generation needs to go, just the originals. The xbox one and ps4, the pro s and x are all still pretty solid, the original xbox and ps4 are clawing tooth and nail to try and keep up with current games but it's just not happening

see THIS is where a lot of people go wrong, honestly graphical potential is the least of my worries, you can make any game run on any machine if the only powerh ungry thing about it is its graphics, because you can infinitely reduce those to a point of it running on literally anything.

my issue is that i find the old xbox and playstations have such weak processing power that more complex AI, larger scale worlds with more things going on as well as greater physics and thus water amounts are drastically hampered due to the older consoles heavy processing limitations, at this point graphics are at a level that i really couldnt care less if they never improve an inch more, hell i felt that back in 2016 era of gaming and i stand by it. I want more ambitious projects and i think once old gen consoles start losing support we will see that start to flourish more and more, ofocurse triple A devs will always be Triple A devs and release hot garbage every year, but i dont think ive bought a single triple A game in the last decade so for me thats not really a problem.

clearly didn't read what i put properly, my entire perspective was as a pc user.

this heavily dpeends on what you're considering "supported" as im mainly arguing for a transition of games no longer being released or heavily updated for the current console, which definitely hasnt been the case for 13 years on the xbox 360, the xbox 360's last release was in 2015, and im not suggesting we shut down all of the servers for old gen consoles.

And honestly i think a decade is more than enough support when it comes to releasing new games. when you think back to 2013, the release of the original xbox one and ps4 and think about what games looked like then vs now and then look at the hardware inside those consoles, retiring them seems perfectly fair, releasing content updates for the games currently on the console and supporting servers for another 3-4 year seems perfectly reasonable, i just dont think we should be releasing 90 percent of games that come out to these platforms still.

ofcourse this is just my opinion but i think that gaming is stagnating a little, though this is primarily visible in the triple A scene, i think the major reason we're seeing such messes from the triple A scene and really ONLY the triple A scene is because of the fact that they're trying to optimise their games for so many platforms, indie titles that are largely locked out of the console market are fairing much better and have become my primary source of gaming nowadays because the quality is honestly at such a standard that i dont think i'd consider buying any triple A games and havent for years because they simply release complete buggy messes that also fail to have anything truly desirable and new about them.

and to be fair, anti consumerism is literally the motto of the console world, these are the platforms that throw money at developers to lock their games down to their platform, charge you exorbitant prices to talk to your friends and unlock a lot of functionality out of your games and charge developers money to update their games leading to a practice of games becoming absolutely content barren on consoles on titles like payday and such, in many ways tightening the hardware gap lightens the load on developers and increases the ceiling potential in a way that i think benefits everyone whilst still allowing those who dont wish to upgrade to enjoy the games they own for several years to come simply being realistic and saying "yeah you know what this console simply can't run these games anymore" because honestly even rdr2 a game that came out 4 years ago, looks pretty much unplayable on an original xbox one... a pixelated grainy mess...

for me personally i think a big problem is also resellability, as a pc gamer i will say it sucks not being able to sell games, my friend for example will buy a game second hand for say 20 bucks, play it and beat it in a month or so and then resell it for pretty much the same price he bought it. as someone who has a steam library with hundreds of games ill likely never play again, this would be fantastic.