One last thing,

Is it normal for the center imaging to be in the middle of your head or is it supposed to be in front of your face?

The other thing I noticed with these is there is no left/right panning for imaging. The sound starts in one ear and just jump to the next. It just leaps from 3 o'clock to 9 o'clock without any imaging in the 2 through 10.

Damn, now I have to do the try them all triathlon. Amazon is not going to like the amount of return I'm going to be doing on a weekly basis lol.

"It’s very hard to find headphones that do everything great. That’s why the ones that do cost a lot of money."

Yeah, that's what I'm at the impasse of do I just return everything and get a pair of Genelec 8020s and call it a day or go through the hassle of ordering every different pair of headphones people recommend to see if I find "the sound" I want.

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Also, isn't the Sundura just a slightly worse XS, and what about AKG 712's and the Senn 660S?

I'm experimenting with them, that's why.

How do I EQ it to sound like a HD600?

Yeah, I feel that, for that price of those tho I would've have just bought a pair of Genelecs and called it a day.

I'm more looking for imaging and soundstage than sound quality. I was hoping for a dolby atmos emulator on a budget.

>sing the new headphones will automatically make you pick up on details on songs you have heard many times

Honestly, the Grados and the XS's have the same amount of bass but the XS's bass is higher quality. It sounds tighter and more defined where the boundaries are, compared to the somewhat flabby vagueness of the Grados. Also, A/Bing them, the Gardo's midrange sounds definitely more nasally with respect to vocals.

But here's the weird thing, when I first got the XS. I plugged them into my pc without any amp and on one song I got a brief second of incredible imaging/soundstage where I heard the snare moving away from me every time it was hit.

I thought that was a sure sign of great things to come, but I have yet to hear that effect again. I thought getting a quality Amp would make it possible since I was under driving them. But alas, no dice. Now, the imaging on songs sound like everything is reversed because vocals sound like they're coming from the back of my head and all the instruments are to the 9 and 3 o'clock. I have yet to hear a true Front center channel or a smooth sweep from side to side.

The build is decent, probably a soild 7/10, I don't feel like going full whistling diesel on them but they don't feel like they'll crumble like particle board. But if I drop them on a hard floor from about 5ft its mostly likely gonna be game over.

Anyways.. When it comes to EQ'ing how do you go about that?

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P.S I also forgot to mention when I first got them. They arrived before the amp so I plugged them into my pc and listen to a few songs. And for a split second I got this crazy imaging/sound stage phenomena of the symbols of a drum moving away from me in every time they were struck. I thought that this was surely a sign of things to come but I have yet to hear it again. Quite vexxing.

Gotcha, I've heard whispers of Zeos being a spastic sellout but that's why I went to DMS, Josh, and a few others who also raved about it being the deal of a decade.

So I figured there has to be something to this; and after a week of waiting, total disappointment. It really ruined my day. I was expecting a surreal experience akin to a mini Dolby surround sound system on my head but alas...

I'm the opposite I want to throw them away as soon as possible because even though I only use them a few times a year one of the yolks holding the drive has just broken off.

I never said I think Grados are the zenith of headphone technology. I just simply have been out of the headphone scene for a while and never got around upgrading as I don't really use headphones that much so I couldn't justify the purchase.

Also, I wasn't that impressed with the Grados either when I first got them. The sound is just Okay but the Ergonomics and build quality are straight out of the 1940s.

I have a set of 225e's from 2015