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1-trofi-1 t1_j609nmj wrote
Reply to comment by VaporLockBox in Canadian scientists exposed mice to vapour from JUUL e-cigarettes and found it caused changes in the animals' pulmonary immune cell composition and altered gene and protein levels in their lungs. by MistWeaver80
Not exsclty and we agree to disagree. They are not comparable.
1-trofi-1 t1_j6035ln wrote
Reply to comment by VaporLockBox in Canadian scientists exposed mice to vapour from JUUL e-cigarettes and found it caused changes in the animals' pulmonary immune cell composition and altered gene and protein levels in their lungs. by MistWeaver80
OK whatever, some people believe also that the earth is flat.
We don't cater to them our whole policy and existence
1-trofi-1 t1_j5zx0zl wrote
Reply to comment by VaporLockBox in Canadian scientists exposed mice to vapour from JUUL e-cigarettes and found it caused changes in the animals' pulmonary immune cell composition and altered gene and protein levels in their lungs. by MistWeaver80
Well he falsified data, he didn't see any real effects stop with strawman arguments.
What he did was fraud period. You can't compare it
1-trofi-1 t1_j5xvjuz wrote
Reply to comment by VaporLockBox in Canadian scientists exposed mice to vapour from JUUL e-cigarettes and found it caused changes in the animals' pulmonary immune cell composition and altered gene and protein levels in their lungs. by MistWeaver80
Wakefield falsified data, this is fraud completely different thing. You can't compare it with a random study, that has it faults, but is not fraudulent. It would completely different if we knew they changed their numbers.
Also in his case multiple other studies couldn't find an effect, but he insists he was right.
Critisism is different than rejecting the whole idea of the study.The authors are careful and don't make huge claims, this is why the title is general. They push for more studies in the field and this is OK.
Wakefield thinks his studies were correct, despite evidence to the contrary, and he tried to profit from his fraudulent studies. Completely different things. Please don't compare
1-trofi-1 t1_j5xpbzx wrote
Reply to comment by VaporLockBox in Canadian scientists exposed mice to vapour from JUUL e-cigarettes and found it caused changes in the animals' pulmonary immune cell composition and altered gene and protein levels in their lungs. by MistWeaver80
You are a bit unfair. Most studies start like that and they are careful. This clearly a pilot study to see an effect and get more grants down the line.
They give high dosage to see easily and udoubtly an effect before proceeding with more careful dosaging where the effect might be negible. If you can't see an effect or a very negative effect at a huge dosage then there is no pint continuing.
They are probably at the stage where they need to set up an experimental model, I mean they don't even if their mice ingest properly the fumes. They don't know which would be the appropriate controls.
This is a typical pilot study for me with some results that show a effect with the intention to ask for more funding later now that they have shown;
- An effect that needs better understand and further analysis.
- that their experimenal model works
- that they have prior experience with this type of treatments.
I cannot stress how important the last one is. Setting up a new experimental model with a new type of treatment in mice is very hard. Overcoming the small problems and having it rdy to work is a half the job.
Noone will read this and think, hey ledt do policy changes. They know it, the reader knows it. What they did propably was to set up a model that was sure to work to work out the kinks and get more money later for more detailed studies.
With limited money and the push to publish all the experiments as positive results this is what you get. But everyone knows and no one bases all their policy changes one one paper.
1-trofi-1 t1_j5xkgim wrote
Reply to comment by AadamAtomic in Canadian scientists exposed mice to vapour from JUUL e-cigarettes and found it caused changes in the animals' pulmonary immune cell composition and altered gene and protein levels in their lungs. by MistWeaver80
Hey water is in all your.foods and healthy.
Water in your lungs in a big no no. Please stop saying stuff like it is made sth natural that is everywhere.
If you take sth natural process it and then introduce where it is not supposed to be there are going to be problems
1-trofi-1 t1_j1lft4c wrote
Reply to comment by ExternalSeat in France and Italy share a lot of cultural features, but people often fail to grasp how centralised France is compared to how decentralised Italy is, at least regarding population. Different historical paths, different political and social dynamics today. by iUseArchRS
A country that was not invaded recently. A country that is actually a collision of 3 different states that even today try to keep their unique identities and show how different they are from the rest.
1-trofi-1 t1_itowix7 wrote
Reply to comment by ifarteditssmelly in This new farming robot uses lasers to kill 200,000 weeds per hour by diacewrb
Rolls royces all ready leases their aircraft engines fkr years.
Now I am not sure about items for individual consumers , but this approach has some advantages. Although to be fair you pay the engine only when it runs and when you service it if it mber correctly.
It allows for convergence of interests since R&R and the airline aim to make the engine as efficient as possible and to last for as much as possible.
The steady income allows R&R to focus on making really good engines without focusing on making a ton of them and just push them around via marketing.
Again this is just for a product without individual consumers as final customers
1-trofi-1 t1_itb1dhh wrote
Reply to comment by cultureicon in Using a gel-like, radioactive implant, engineers have demonstrated the most effective treatment for pancreatic cancer ever recorded in mouse models, the new treatment completely eliminated tumors in 80 percent of mice across several model types, including those considered the most difficult to treat by giuliomagnifico
Yes this is what they do. Each method has its own advantages and disadvantages regarding how representative it is to human disease
1-trofi-1 t1_j8qv8bw wrote
Reply to comment by MpVpRb in Americans are ready to test embryos for future college chances, survey shows by ChickenTeriyakiBoy1
We know that allready. There is a more reliable test the zip code one, but you know. Someone is ready to make some money for rich people that believe that their wealth stems only from their skills. Nothing to do whatsoever with privilege