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----_________------ t1_j6vc1qk wrote

tons of factors at play here.

A major common mistake when reading these graphs is taking each part individually as their own section, when in fact, it is all related. Treble can influence bass perception, and you should take into account the whole FR instead of just focusing purely on amplitude at certain frequencies

There's also your music choice that might influence how bass is perceived. Bass covers quite a wide range of frequencies, and different genres will emphasize different frequencies.

imo, the truthear zero has noticeable bass presence because of its elevated upper midrange combined with a midbass tuck. This creates a sense of contrast with the clear midrange/treble of the iem, which makes the bass seem more prominent.

the s12 (not the pro) had more note weight and midbass in my experience, but that does come with a lack of bass separation/impact that the zero has.

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----_________------ t1_j20n6s3 wrote

That is perfectly valid, a lot of people buy technically capable headphones and EQ its mediocre tonality to something they like. But like others said, that isnt always possible.

Frequency response is also NOT subjective. Perception of FR is, but the measurement itself is objective. Whether people listen to the reviewer's subjective interpretation of the graph is up to them.

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----_________------ t1_j20fsl5 wrote

It is important because it is the (one of) the only objective metric with which one can evaluate headphones.

If you look at forums, reviews, videos, etc, you quickly realize how everyone likes different things. Worse is that people often hear the same gear differently as well. For example, you might like that "wild looking graph" headphone, but someone else might dislike it.

Soundstage, detail, imaging, dynamics, transients; what do they actually mean? Again, no solid definition, and again, people perceive these differently.

It all comes down to having at least one thing that is objective and (mostly) consistent across every reviewer. And most reviewers dont base their opinions just on the graphs, i have not seen one reputable reviewer do as such. They still rely on their hearing for those mysterious technicalities.

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----_________------ t1_j20ak7o wrote

it is hard to know what causes them to sound different because they are two extremely different products.

But even then, what metrics could cause them to sound different? Ignoring variables that affect perception (price, physical sensation, build quality, hearing, etc), we find that the most important objective metric is FR.

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----_________------ t1_j209gmo wrote

i think we are agreeing, but theres a slight misunderstanding. I interpreted his saying of "loudness at different frequencies" as how he used graphs. I thought he meant basic stuff like "oh, theres more bass", which is true but limited in use. i agree with your statements tho, it technically is loudness at different frequencies, but interpreting graphs can go (a little) beyond that

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----_________------ t1_j1zxzfq wrote

It is 100% the most important metric for sound quality in headphones. There is no denying that. A lot is contained in FR, and simplifying it to "loudness at different frequencies" is not quite right.

What exactly is different from the 10$ earbuds compared to nicer headphones?

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